Board as I had been storing it. The taped on diode was a part I had replaced. |
In retrospect this was a bad example to try to start with. Most of these 4x4 pedals have power supply issues or have a bad IC somewhere and can be debugged without too much hassle. With this one, I replaced the some parts in the power supply back in 2012 and got the right voltages, but it would never start up. Very occasionally the LEDs would flash on and then it would freeze or die again. Looking at the test points didn't help, it would show a master clock but no other clock signals. The MCU would usually reset correctly on power up, but would then assert the reset line of the DSP and never release it. The only good model for what was going on was that multiple ICs had some kind of damage, maybe from a severe power supply failure.
Somewhere in halfway through the process of replacing all ICs. |
DSP56364 |
I got one from a Chinese vendor on eBay, knowing that it could be a fake part. It turned up a month or so later and I put it aside. I dug out this pedal recently and tried swapping it out. The old part came off easily but I had some trouble aligning the replacement QFP, in the end I just cheated by drowning the pins in tacky flux and reflowing the board with hot air and it soldered perfectly.
It was still dead, and now the 3.3V supply was being pulled low. It looked like I had a solder bridge somewhere on the DSP, or it was a remarked/fake/dead part with a short from 3.3V to ground. My method for finding shorts to ground on a board has always been to guess where the short might be and remove parts until it's gone. I had read about a technique for finding shorts where a constant current is fed into the power rails and a DMM on millivolt range is used to measure the voltage drop across parts that connect to power and ground. The part with the lowest voltage drop is the short - this is basically a way to make low resistance measurements with a higher sensitivity than most ohmmeters can manage. I fed in 400mA to the 3.3V rail and measured all the 3.3V coupling caps. Voltage drop was lowest near the DSP (shit) but of the 4 power decoupling caps around the DSP, C39 had the lowest drop. I removed C39 and the pedal powered up, current consumption was back to normal. I don't know if C39 was bad (it didn't measure as a short outside of the circuit) or if it had a small solder bridge I couldn't see, but I was pretty pleased with this and will use this method in future.
Coolaudio parts: V1000 & V4220M. Later removed the adapter boards. |
At this point the 4 LEDs would just flash on and off, but this isn't too surprising as I had removed the audio codec and the DRAM chips. I used the modulation EEPROM that came with my MM4, as I knew that program doesn't need DRAM. The Cirrus CS4223 codec is harder to source, but I happened to have some Coolaudio V4220M chips that I bought to try with their V1000 reverb chip. This looks like a second source/clone of the Cirrus chip, so I installed one. This gave me a working pedal! I tried the DL4 EEPROM that came with this pedal and it was completely dead. I moved it to my MM4 (which has been converted to a DL4) and it didn't work there either. I reinstalled the original DRAM IC and tried the MM4's known-good delay EEPROM and only got heavily distorted noise. This seems to confirm that all of the ICs that came with this DL4 are damaged.
I now have an MM4 that acts as a DL4, and a DL4 that only works as an MM4. With Behringer/Coolaudio parts in it.
I have ordered some DRAM chips that I think will work, so hopefully this can also be used as a DL4 again.
Alive. |
The parts were not too expensive (€20-30) but I sunk a lot of time into this. It's satisfying as a personal victory after having this thing around for so long but if I got one in this state as a repair job I would probably turn it down.
Lessons learned:
- a complete digital rebuild is totally possible
- it's probably not worth the cost of parts and time
- all program information is stored in the EEPROM, no ICs need to be programmed or configured
- DSPB56364AF100 are available from eBay seller "e-best_trade". Unfortunately, none are listed right now
- Coolaudio V4220M works as a replacement for Cirrus CS4223
- short finding with a constant current source and sensitive voltmeter can work really well
Seeing how you have a bit of experience with these... Have you ever re-housed one into, say, a 1590DD or something along those lines? I would imagine that one *COULD* if they were creative enough. I would envision removing the pots, flipping the board over so the jacks faced down, rewire the pots and go about your day - but I don't know how the rotary selector switch truly works. I see only 5 pins, but am betting it's more complicated than that since it's bolted to the board.
ReplyDeleteThe history: I got one with a semi-busted switch and detached label plate as a "birthday gift" (re: I don't use it, this is taking up space and looks trashy, so Mike will want to tinker with it! - he was right, lol). I cleaned up the plate, and replacing the switches looks easy enough, and I've built enough pedals to know how to desolder and put the new ones in. Easy. I love that it's stereo (so I can run 2 separate signals through it if I need to), but this enclosure is the absolute worst.
Any thoughts would be great! Thanks in advance!
I have never rehoused one. There's no reason why it wouldn't work. The rotary switch is an encoder, it switches 4 digital signals high or low to select the model. You can move that off-board.
DeleteI don't know if the PCB will fit in a 1590DD as it fills the entire width of the inside of the original enclosure. You might have to go to a 1590DE or larger.
Yea - i measured the physical board last night, which is slightly less than 8.5" wide. I looked at some other enclosure sizes, but they're all very tall compared to the average pedal. I made a couple of 1776 multiplex delays, but the lack of a tap tempo and inability to get 2 to sync up keeps throwing me. I may have to search for an enclosure, or figure out a way to get 2 pt2399-based delays to sync up!
DeleteThanks for the info! One last question: are the 10k pots linear or audio?
All are 10k linear. I linked the service manual with the schematic in my first DL4 post, it's not too hard to get hold of http://falseelectronics.blogspot.com/2016/04/line-6-mm4-repair-and-dl4-conversion.html
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