TC did a Nova series of pedals and multi-effects units, but I don't think they were all built around a common digital design (like the Line 6 4x4 series). TC stuff is interesting as they have a history of high quality and targeting high-end markets and they tend to use fairly modern designs and parts. Unfortunately they don't seem to release much information or contract out any repair services, so I have not come across any modern TC Electronics schematics, either official or leaked.
TC were sold to Behringer in 2015 and their latest range of pedals look to be more standard stuff, a bit watered-down compared to the Nova series. I'll reserve judgement until I see one.
This series used a 12V power supply for some reason (why not 9V, like everything else?)
This Nova Drive started up but only passed a signal in bypass mode. The LED display and indicators did react to the knobs and to button presses, which at least meant that the digital section is working and the problem was likely in the analog end.
Top PCB (digital) |
Lower PCB (analog) |
The bottom PCB fills the whole enclosure - it has a bunch of opamps (presumably the analog overdrive and distortion circuits), DG441D quad analog switch ICs, switching power supplies, the MIDI optoisolator, a relay and a Cirrus CS3308. The CS3308 is a cool part, it's an 8-channel digitally programmable volume control. Presumably each channel is mapped to one encoder (4 knobs for overdrive and 4 for distortion) and the ATmega sets the levels over SPI or I2C. TC have used the +-5V version with 123 dB of dynamic range, which is kind of ludicrous for a distortion pedal.
Lower PCB, backside |
U3 generates -12V from 12V input |
All parts on this side are glued in placed before soldering |
The bottom PCB is very parts-dense, but helpfully there are test points for all supply voltages. I found that -12V was reading very low and so all of the negative supplies that are derived from -12V were also missing. -12V appeared to come from a switching supply controlled by a CS51411 on the underside of the PCB, the circuit looks liked a close match to the inverting converter in the datasheet (Fig 25). The inductor was getting burning hot, so the switching IC was a pretty likely culprit. TC used a double sided load for this PCB, and parts on the underside are wave-soldered instead of reflowed, which means they are all held in place with a dot of red epoxy. Desoldering the IC took a lot more heat and force than I'm used to but it did eventually lift off. It still didn't work with a new chip, solid 12V DC across the inductor with no switching happening, which explains the heating. The SYNC pin did have a ~340 kHz square wave - I don't know if this was also present on the original chip. The huge number of test points on the back of this larger PCB suggests TC use some kind of bed-of-nails jig for testing during manufacturing.
Around this time I held my hand over the board when powered up and found another hot spot. One of the two DG441D switch ICs was also running hot, so I desoldered it. This part does run off +12V and -12V rails, so it may have killed the -12V supply when it failed.
There is another switching power supply using a L5970D controller - this one is generating 3.3V for the digital parts and was working correctly.
As I knew there may have been a short from -12V to ground or some other supply, I wanted to see if I could completely isolate the CS51411 from the -12V supply and use an external power supply to provide -12V. I removed the output capacitor and the inductor. Using an bench supply wired to the board and providing -12V, the pedal worked. Surprisingly, it pulled over 100 mA which seemed very high for some opamps and switch ICs so there may have been some other damaged part on that -12V rail.
The series/parallel switching did not work, only series mode passed a wet signal. This confirms the DG441Ds are routing the signals into series or parallel combinations, one of them was still missing. A new IC here restored all modes.
The CS51411's inductor measured 33uH out of circuit which seemed correct. I decided to try swapping it with this part, which fixed all the power supply issues. I am guessing that the old inductor got so hot that it reached it's curie temperature and it's magnetic properties changed (??) The new part runs cool. Looking again at the CS3308 datasheet shows it pulls 36 - 50 mA on both positive and negative analog supplies (!), which explains the high power consumption seen earlier, and why the pedal originally shipped with a 12V supply rated for 400 mA. This chip does run noticeably warm, but the power consumption matches the datasheet figures. I can only guess that power consumption is targeted high to help lower noise and increase dynamic range. For a distortion pedal a low-power version with poorer specs would probably be a much better fit. The pedal will actually work with 9V input, and will generate a -9V supply instead, but will need a beefier supply than is usually seen on pedalboards.
All good again. |
Just burn it FFS, not worth the time.
ReplyDeleteThat certainly crossed my mind...
DeleteHi Krivx, I have the same problem. Where are you based? Do repair just for yourself?
DeleteI’m the engineer who did the design when I was working for TC.
ReplyDeleteI was never really satisfied with the sound (sold my own pedal), but I wasn’t allowed to tweak it.
The -12V supply circuit is susceptible to lock-up in case of using a different power supply than the one supplied. Should have been improved, but product release date had higher priority.
CS3308 was not chosen because of the dynamic range, but because it had the gain resolution and number of channels that were needed - in a relatively small package.
Thumbs up for the repair job.
Very interesting, thanks for commenting. I would guess that 90% of stuff I look at has damage from a wrong power supply, that certainly fits.
DeleteI need to check out a TC Nova drive I purchased on eBay. The previous owner said it worked for about 2 mins then shut down and reset (so sounds like a PSU problem). I powered it up with just a 9v supply as a test and it seems to be running fine. I want to open it up and check which parts if any are getting hot (I have a FLIR one infrared camera for this rather than the burnt finger test!). But I am not sure how you get into it. I've removed the outer side metal cheeks. Then there are four screws either side. After removing them, it looked like you had to take all the knobs off the front panel and the input/output jacks nuts. But do you also need to unscrew the foot switch mounting nuts (which are not nuts but just round disks?). Any advice would be much appreciated as I don't want to force anything.
ReplyDeleteMy Nova Drive just stopped working. All the lights and switches seem to work. But nothing but a slow dull whine when I try to engage the overdrive or distortion. I figure its for all intents and purposes (given my electrical expertise) dead.
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ReplyDeleteMan, I can solder these parts in, but I have no idea what you're saying. Sorry...I'm a noob a this stuff, but can desolder/re-solder on PCBs and fix the gear I have...if I know which parts need changing.
ReplyDeleteI know there are others out there like me, so...could you help me diagram which bits you replaced? where you tested your readings? and which other test points might indicate a botched part in the PCB? Just a 'for dummies' approach to the highly technical stuff you're posting.
I'm good with illustrations and manipulating photos, so I can make very clear diagrams to go along with it. I think you could become a valuable reference for guitarists forced to learn how to fix their own gear. (y'know..guys who hold the wrong end of the soldering iron)
Thank you @krivx for this super post!
ReplyDeleteI have, unfortunately, the same kind of problem.
IC3, the CS51411 goes up to 85°C and on the other side L5 up to 124°C !!! The -12V is collapsed.
I have always used the original 12V 400mA power supply provided by TC, this means that it exists, unfortunately for users, a design error or poor quality of the On-semi product.
I think that by changing the components, it will be later in the same problem?
What can we do to avoid burning the same components?
An idea to solve this?
Very great post.Thanks for sharing this post.
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